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Hi all,

 

When I deal with photos in Capture One I use Affinity to remove dust. Its not exactly like a plugin, but I open Affinity through Capture One, do what I need to do and save. I then get straight back to Capture One with a dustfree photo... however, for some reason the picture is also brighter... does anyone get why this is happening? Shouldnt the picture look the same in both applications?

 

Cheers

Peter

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There are two ways to call AP from C1, sending the raw image and sending a processed image (Open With and Edit With). Which are you using?

 

If you are sending the raw image you must be using AP to develop the photo and that means adjusting it, so you might expect the return to look a bit different.

 

On top of that you probably have C1 set to make some initial adjustments when opening a new image. If you are sending an image to AP or APB and then saving it under a new name, C1 will adjust it (again) when it opens it because it assumes it is a new image (and it is as far as C1 is concerned).

 

 

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I am assuming they use the same ICC and gamma.

 

I am using edit with, so C1 is exporting this variant directly into Affinity. When I save and close whatever changes I have made has taken place. Also, the pictures are not RAW, they are tiffs (scanned negatives), and I thought C1 would not do any initial adjustments on those files (just raw).

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Hello pkr1979,

 

For your description you are doing everything right. I also use Capture One Pro and Affinity Photo side by side and never face this issue. Nevertheless I just tried with JPG and TIFF files and everything works fine with no changes except the ones I made for testing. If you'll share one of the files where you have that problem, I can run a new test.

 

Cheers,

Pedro

Photographer, Designer, Climber & Happy Gardener

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@pkr, this seems strange.  Like Mike and Pedro, I use AP as an external editor, calling it from C1 (especially for cloning which is possible the weakest area of Capture One) and have never experienced any brightness differences either with NEF files (the most usual starting point for me) or jpegs.

 

Out of interest, why don't you clean up the dust with the C1 tool - I find it works very well?

Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6  Capture One 10.

 

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I find it strange too. I've also experienced auto cropping when exporting files for "edit with". I sent my files to the Phase One supporter, but he didnt experience what I did. He suggested installing Capture One over again... like a clean install. It was very little that was cropped away so I never bothered  to.

 

The dust tool in C1 is fair enough. But some of my 8x10" negatives has more dust than C1 is able to deal with (theres a 100 limit), and the inpainting brush in Affinity is even quicker... so it makes it easier.

 

Im happy to send you the file Pedro... but (I might be blind?)... I could not find an option for attachments in the mailing system here (also, files are about 600MB).

 

Cheers

Peter

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Hi pkr1979,

 

I just run some tests in the files you send me and this is the results I found.

The software versions I used were Capture One Pro 10 and Affinity Photo 1.5.1.

 

I opened the two images both in Capture One and Affinity Photo and the two are the same. I didn't notice any bright areas between the two. Since monitors and eyes can some times fool us, I decided to add pixel samplers to check if the values were the same in the two images. And they were. In Affinity Photo is easy to do this, just go to the Info Panel and from the menu at the top right corner choose Add New Sampler. You can use the grid or custom guides to place the samplers in the same place in the two images or even easier just copy both for the same document and create the samplers and just check and uncheck each one at the time in the layers panel.

 

They I made all the process from Capture One to Affinity Photo and back. I choose the option Edit With... (Tiff, 16bits, Uncompressed, Adobe RGB 1998, 300dpi, 100%). In Affinity I just made some strokes with a brush and save the file. Went back to Capture One and again the files were identical (except for the brush strokes). You can see them side by side in the attached file.

 

Please use the sampler method to check the pixels values of each image. Also, if you are using Capture One 9 download the trial of version 10 and see if you get the same problem. Finally check your monitor and colour profiles because in the tests I run I never saw the problem you mention.

 

Hope I could help.

 

Cheers,

Pedro

 

 

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Photographer, Designer, Climber & Happy Gardener

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Hi!

 

And thanks for doing all of this :-) I dont get it though. On my screen the 2 files appear different (also in Affinity)... can there be any autosettings that are applied that I am not aware of? I thought that these would not take place in C1 since its a tiff-file. For instance, auto sharpening is not applied (which it is when i open RAW from digital camera).

 

Again, thanks :-)

 

Cheers

Peter

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Peter, Pedro may have a point with the comment on colour profiles; make sure your monitor, AP (set in Preferences), and C1's "Edit with" drop down are all set to the same one.

Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6  Capture One 10.

 

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Now that's really strange, Peter.  Since the others who use the C1-AP combo and who have posted here do not see any difference, the logical conclusion is that the root cause must lie somewhere in your system/workflow.  Have you followed up on the suggestion of using a 30-day trial version of CaptureOne 10?  Out of interest, what camera are you using?

Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6  Capture One 10.

 

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Hi!

 

I didn't try that yet. But I agree, the problem has to be somewhere on my side.

 

For the pictures with which I have issues, the camera used is a Cambo SC 8x10. The negatives are scanned with EpsonScan as tiffs.

I got C1 when I got my Canon 6D.

 

Cheers

Peter

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You will probably need to describe your workflow and color management settings in more detail for each step of the workflow.  It sounds like you shoot film (black and white?  color?) and then scan the negatives with an Epson scanner using the EpsonScan software.  After you scan the negative, to a TIFF, what color profile tag is embedded in the file (if any)?

 

Next, it sounds like you bring the TIFF into C1 and do various processing.  Then you export the variant with your edits to AP for dust removal.  What color profile tag is embedded when you export from C1 to AP?  Is this the same color space that AP indicates when the file is open in AP?  

 

Then you save/save as the AP file as a TIFF and go back to C1 to do further work.  What color profile tag is embedded now?

 

Are the color space profiles that get embedded in the file color profiles or gray profiles?  Do the gammas match?

 

Review the color settings in each application that you are using to make sure that some inadvertent change is not occurring to the file that causes an application to ASSIGN a profile without your knowledge or cause the file to be displayed erroneously.

 

kirk

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Hi all,

 

And thanks for the feedback. Sorry for my late reply but my mum is visiting :-) Anyway.

 

When I did the roundtrip with a CR2-file from my Canon. The colors changes character... the image is not the same here either. Now its also getting auto-cropped. The file that is exported to affinity is slightly cropped at the top and bottom. Not a lot, but it is.

 

As for my workflow (You have pretty much described it)... when scanned (negatives in both color and black and white, obviously the CR2 file is not scanned) with Epson Scan, I do this in 2 different ways but in neither is the tiff file assigned a color-profile. In one of them the gamma is set set to 2.2, and in the other its not set. And as far as I can tell whatever I choose my issues remains the same.

 

Then I upload the file to C1, adjust exposure, contrast, saturation, HDR, clarity, levels. Might ad some sharpening. The file has up to this point no color profile assigned to it. When I export it I have done this in 2 way. Either as Adobe 1998 or as my screen profile. The profile in Affinity has corresponded to what I chose as a export. The problem persists either way.

 

The color profiles are RGB also when I do black and white (I always just use Adobe RGB when saving tiffs)... Isnt 2.2 standard gamma?

 

Ahem... sorry... I just checked now and it might be different colorprofiles... What I tought was an untagged colorprofile with just gamma setting seems to be a Epson sRGB (why does in not scan in Adobe RGB?!) and what I tought was completely untagged seems to be called sRGB IEC61966-2.1... sorry for this lads... might this be it?

 

But it doesnt explain the colorshift on the CR2 file? Or is that because that is viewed in profoto in C1? And why does it aoutocrop?

 

I am really sorry for not checking that in C1 earlier as it is pretty much in my face... I giess I just trusted the epson guy when he said that with the 2 options I use there is no color profile.

 

Cheers

Peter

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  • 8 months later...

Hi - I just saw this old thread. I'm doing the affinity trial. I can open it on the desktop without Windows Aero enabled but not when i want to edit from capture one - then i get the windows aero warning & can't open  Affinity. Is there a workaround for this? thanks.

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