using Photo with Aperture 3

[useless_bob]

Hi,

 

I just wanted to ask about Aperture 3 - if I want to use Aperture as file manager/light editor and Affinity Photo as editor, is this a viable option? Is there a possibility that Photo will stop working with Aperture 3 in future versions?

 

thanks.

[billtils]

Yes, you can call it as an external editor.  Like quite a few here I am a refugee from Apple's decision to cease supporting Aperture, and haven't used it in over a year now, but back in the day the round trip to/from AP worked very smoothly.

 

I don't see why that should change; I was more concerned about Apple eventually coming up with a version of OS-X that would not support Aperture and Sierra has done nothing to change my mind on that.

[useless_bob]

Ok, thanks. Still will be using Aperture, despite Apples descisions...

[Nikos]

It was VERY unfortunate that Apple killed Aperture.

I like its superior UI (to anything else out there).

 

And I cannot understand why they had to kill it. 

Their cash flow is quite good.

Actually, the best on the planet...

[v_kyr]

Well who really knows...? Maybe some of the main inhouse developers of it leaved, or they thought always keeping it up to date and in sync with the latest cam releases and with what the competition offers is too development time consuming etc. Yes it's sad since Aperture had a wide user base and beside many photog amateurs/consumers, also a lot of business pro photographers used it too intensively on their daily workflow basis. - However, lately Apple here only concentrated more or less on that stripped down flat style Photos version, due to their unification process with the iPhone/iPad app, so to say the casual simple consumer app.

[billtils]

 their unification process with the iPhone/iPad app, so to say the casual simple consumer app.

 

I'm sure that is a large part of it.  It also seems that they are being driven by the "app model" and have concluded that there are lots of very good Mac-compatible photo editing and library programs out there so there is not a lot of value in devoting resources to maintaining Aperture.  Affinity's work on making AP work with Photos is an example ... Apple need a good native photo editor for their iThings and companies like Serif/Affinity are making money for themselves and Apple by developing upscale editors for it and selling them on the App store.

[v_kyr]

All true, though the overall problem here with such decisions is then always, how to deal with the existent customer base. All those users who invested maybe a lot of hard time/work over the years for building up their image archives and development workflow processes based on such software products. - I think most of them have in the meantime moved over to Lightroom so far, since LR also added to some degree importing support for Aperture image projects. So yes other software companies here do then probably benefit from such abonden software decisions and might get some new customers for their software products.

 

 

I'm sure that is a large part of it.  It also seems that they are being driven by the "app model" and have concluded that there are lots of very good Mac-compatible photo editing and library programs out there so there is not a lot of value in devoting resources to maintaining Aperture. ..

 

Actually Apples Photos framework is used by some companies, though most things of these plugins are more cluttering organized and so far those often offer just simple image manipulation things. The Affinity Photo add-ons are better suited here and more useful than the usual other stuff I've seen available here. However, I'm not sure if other third party app settings are preserved/remembered here when using that Apple Photos framework during the image transfer process from one side to the other, or if instead just an image is only handled around.

 

Who knows, Aperture might have be just the first one, tomorrow they might abandon other custom Apple software too.

[havovubu]

Still using Aperture just fine!

 

Round trips to AP and NIK Software all working very nicely within Sierra

[koj4otP7w]

Ok, it is late June, '17 now, and most of you folks are still using Aperture in Sierra? Correct?  ... and it is working fine?  

 

Then, Affinity was working on a library some time beck with no definite release date, any info on that?

[koj4otP7w]

Hi,

 

Have Affinity Photo, going from Aperture, am seeking info on Aperture still working with Sierra, as I need to upgrade to it.

 

Further, any info on Affinity Photo Library doing soon. It was in the works some moths back with no definite release date at that time. If that come on line, and is as good as the core Affinity Photo, we can go completely with Affinity Photo. 

[billtils]

I think that post #8 above answers your question.  It appears that the current MacOS still supports Aperture, but how long that will last is anyone's guess ...

 

(I somewhat reluctantly dumped Aperture nearly 2 years ago but have no regrets).

[freediverx]

I think most discussions about Apple's Aperture and Photos apps fail to make a distinction between those apps' functions as image editors and as DAMs (digital asset managers).

 

From an image editing perspective, Photos falls far short of Aperture, and Aperture falls short of Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. Based on my limited experimentation so far, Affinity Photo seems to be giving LR a run for its money in terms of sheer performance and capabilities, while absolutely trouncing it in terms of usability and macOS integration (not to mention cost.) But Photoshop still has the upper hand when it comes to sophisticated automated features like content-aware fill when cropping or straightening an image. Adobe's products are bloated, ugly, have more convoluted interfaces and steeper learning curves, but they have an ever expanding range of "smart" features that do more of the work for you than AP can.

 

From a DAM perspective, there's simply nothing in the market that can effectively replace Aperture or Photos. For starters, no product on the market has the ability to integrate with Apple's iCloud Photo Library. Full stop. That's a deal breaker. And even if you ignore Apple's cloud services, products like Lightroom and Photoshop refuse to play nice with Apple's native media libraries, forcing users to choose between their services and Apple's.

 

Like most people these days, I take most of my photos with my iPhone since it's the camera that's always with me. But I also take a fair number of photos with dedicated cameras and I want to be able to manage my entire image library within a single, unified library that's integrated into the cloud. So when considering a product like Affinity Photo, one of the most important features I look for is the ability to use it seamlessly as an external editor for Apple's Photos app. From the Photos app, I want the ability to send an image out for editing in a powerful external editor and then easily save the edited image right back into my Photos library while preserving all of its original metadata and album placement. 

[freediverx]

(I somewhat reluctantly dumped Aperture nearly 2 years ago but have no regrets).

 

What are you using in place of Aperture as a digital asset manager? Adobe Lightroom? Have you also subscribed to Adobe's cloud services and use them instead of (or in addition to) Apple's iCloud Photo Library?

 

Personally I am frustrated with Adobe. On one hand, Photoshop has a number of key features lacking in alternatives like AP. But on the other hand I detest Adobe's business model, their user interfaces, and their buggy and bloated software.

[GFS]

Ok, it is late June, '17 now, and most of you folks are still using Aperture in Sierra? Correct?  ... and it is working fine?  

 

Then, Affinity was working on a library some time beck with no definite release date, any info on that?

 

I thought a while back that Aperture had issues with OS upgrades (and it does have a few) but often problems can be fixed very easily.  I have no problems with Sierra and I hope High Sierra to be similar, given that it is a largely an under-the-hood upgrade.  It will change the file system, which is massive, but really shouldn't cause problems.

 

So if you are having Aperture issues, e.g. the UI not drawing properly, or other strange goings on.  Files not being found etc., then a simple, no risk fix, is to Export your project(s) as Libraries.  See if they are okay, then Merge these Libraries together to get back to where you were.  This can take a little while if the projects are very large, but it should fix everything.  Effectively, you are doing a total re-build of your Library/Projects.  NB, doing a re-build via Aperture's maintenance UI is NOT the same thing and will not fix these issues.  You will probably be surprised to find that the new Library is much smaller too, as space has been saved due to optimisation.

 

Why do I bother?  Aperture is just so much better in terms of UI, than Lr will ever be.  Here's hoping that Serif can produce something as good.

[billtils]

What are you using in place of Aperture as a digital asset manager? Adobe Lightroom? Have you also subscribed to Adobe's cloud services and use them instead of (or in addition to) Apple's iCloud Photo Library?

 

Personally I am frustrated with Adobe. On one hand, Photoshop has a number of key features lacking in alternatives like AP. But on the other hand I detest Adobe's business model, their user interfaces, and their buggy and bloated software.

 

I use Capture One Pro for RAW development, editing and library management.  Importing my Aperture library was easy and worked well (at least in regard to my needs - I have a slight recollection of reading that some Aperture features did not transfer).  The thing that made the library transfer work was not to import the whole library in one go, but to do it album by album.  

 

I downloaded and checked out the free trial version of LR (twice), didn't much like how it worked in general and had major fails with attempts at library importing.

 

I only use Apple's cloud for iPhone and iPad backups.  I did use Photos briefly (setting it up for my daughter) - it looks OK but not even close to Capture One, but then it's free ...